0:00:04.220,0:00:11.220 Back rooms are the same as dark rooms. They are generally either standalone clubs or they 0:00:14.869,0:00:21.869 are attached to an existing bar or club or pub that operates with lights. When you enter 0:00:25.759,0:00:32.759 a dark room or back room either as part of a commercial venue or standalone club, the 0:00:34.380,0:00:41.220 lights are off, there is no lighting. You fumble your way around until you find something 0:00:41.220,0:00:48.220 or someone or some object you want to have sex with and then you engage. You don't know 0:00:52.560,0:00:56.930 anything about that person, you don't know what they look like. All you know is what 0:00:56.930,0:01:03.930 you can feel in the dark. What you can feel in the dark if you saw in the light you might 0:01:05.570,0:01:12.570 run from. But because it's dark you have no idea who or what is in front of you. Generally 0:01:15.190,0:01:21.860 by the time you've entered a back room or a dark room, you're disinhibited. You've taken 0:01:21.860,0:01:28.120 alcohol, drugs, recreational drugs of some kind or the other, or you just don't care. 0:01:28.120,0:01:35.120 And you walk in and literally anyone can have you and you can have anyone. You can be rejected 0:01:37.850,0:01:44.710 but there will always be someone there who will make space for you. And because these 0:01:44.710,0:01:49.920 aren't monitored, no one knows what's going on with them; no one has studied what happens 0:01:49.920,0:01:56.450 in back rooms to the extent of saying making definitive statements as to what takes place. 0:01:56.450,0:02:03.450 When I managed Heaven at the same time there was a London's first back room opened in Lester 0:02:04.010,0:02:11.010 Square. It was a club called Adams which was on the basement floor below one of the cinemas 0:02:12.420,0:02:19.420 in Lester Square. Adams was notorious for its back room. And because I managed Heaven 0:02:20.130,0:02:27.130 I knew the manager of Adams. He told me every morning (it was a late night club) they couldn't 0:02:29.150,0:02:35.950 clean the back room because it was so full of shit and God knows what, it had to be hosed 0:02:35.950,0:02:42.950 down and sucked up with industrial wet vacuum cleaners because there was so much fecal debris 0:02:46.690,0:02:53.450 in those back rooms. So people having sex in back rooms, you may as well shove your 0:02:53.450,0:02:58.810 dick into a blocked toilet because that's what's happening. When you can't see, your 0:02:58.810,0:03:05.810 eyes are a very visual component of your sexual equipment because you need to make a judgment 0:03:06.300,0:03:12.370 that yes I want to have sex with this person, he's safe, he's attractive, he's clean. But 0:03:12.370,0:03:18.770 if you can't see you can't make that judgment and that's the gateway into whether you want 0:03:18.770,0:03:25.770 to have sex with that person. But if you haven't got that gateway access, you're in danger. 0:03:26.069,0:03:32.690 Back rooms and dark rooms I would say are the major gateway into HIV infection these 0:03:32.690,0:03:33.230 days.